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Musings On The Neccessity Of A Sub Culture
 
# 46 : Sunday 12-7-2015 @ 11:43
 
 
It's destructive to other people that these opinions continue to be held by a section of the population, not necessaily by you.

Pointing out individuals that fit a stereotype doesn't support the value of that stereotype.

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# 47 : Sunday 12-7-2015 @ 11:44
 
 
Someone said :
It's destructive to other people that these opinions continue to be held by a section of the population, not necessaily by you.

Pointing out individuals that fit a stereotype doesn't support the value of that stereotype.

I also pointed out people that don't fit the stereotype.

Surely the whole point of a subculture is that it comprises persons who share a characteristic that makes them different?

In a pluralist society expressions of - and acknowledgements of - diversity should be seen as something positive rather than harmful.
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# 48 : Sunday 12-7-2015 @ 12:15
 
 
Someone said :
I also pointed out people that don't fit the stereotype.

Surely the whole point of a subculture is that it comprises persons who share a characteristic that makes them different?

In a pluralist society expressions of - and acknowledgements of - diversity should be seen as something positive rather than harmful.

You're right in once sense but the subculture identifies itself and it is not for others to make claims about or predict the entire subculture's attitude, motivations, or behaviour with any authority. This is the basis for generalisations which have value in some cases but we should always keep in mind that it can be unfairly discriminatory.

I honestly think that you modify your statements with conditions like "some don't fit the stereotype" as a way of appeasing the other commentators here and that you still hold a lot of store in the rules you have built up about various subcultures - especially based on their physical appearance.

Physical appearance doesn't reflect internal motivations of itself. A flamboyant bisexual man doesn't necessarily fancy more men than a masculine or butch bi-sexual man.

A butch lesbian isn't less attracted to men than a feminine lesbian.
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# 49 : Sunday 12-7-2015 @ 18:55
 
 
Someone said :
I also pointed out people that don't fit the stereotype.

A documentary film has just been released on a gay stereotype

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/is-there-a-gay-voic etc ...


Video Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R21Fd8-Apf0
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# 50 : Sunday 12-7-2015 @ 22:14
 
 
Great topic.

It is very much a generational thing. Ask older people about it and they may pine for the old days when there was a subculture. I myself, after I came out did like the notoriety of being the gayer amongst friends. It did give me a sense of pride knowing there was this little niche that I was a part of and going into the bars at the weekend was a sort of celebration of it.

But as time has passed, I visited other countries and witnessed a marriage/partnership ceremony in Copanhagen of locals in a bear bar in the middle of the day and it was absolutely normal, boring, and lovely with family, friends, children all celebrating.

To answer your question, there is no need for a subculture, but there is a need for gay bars to remain as a focus, if the commercial need is viable.
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# 51 : Monday 13-7-2015 @ 11:41
 
 
Although I've never been to a gay pub (I hate loud music and am not comfortable in noisy crowds), I assume one advantage is that gay men know they won't get a box on the mouth for chatting up a man, whereas in a mainstream environment where most men are straight you just dont know. I think as long as that is the case, gay subcultural establishments will persist.


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