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Should Those Accused Of Rape Be Named & Shamed?
 
# 31 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 18:49
 
 
Everyone should have the right to anonymity before and during a trial
Until a person is found guilty its disgusting to print details about an accused and smear a potentially innocent persons name.

If a person is accused and on trial for say paedophilia, and they are working with children , i think its only pertinent to have them on paid leave or something until their guilt or otherwise is determined

On a parrallel subject , i think that people who falsly accuse someone of rape should receive the same sentence that a rapist recieves
Not only do false accusations destroy innocent lives, they also make it much harder for real victims to come forward and seek justice.

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# 32 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 19:15
 
 
Someone said :

On a parrallel subject , i think that people who falsly accuse someone of rape should receive the same sentence that a rapist recieves
Not only do false accusations destroy innocent lives, they also make it much harder for real victims to come forward and seek justice.

I'm sorry but I think that is just so misguided. How do we determine what is a false accusation?
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# 33 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 19:26
 
 
Someone said :

If I remember correctly in the X case it was supposed to have been a close friend of the victim's father - a man in his 40s - that allegedly raped the girl and I believe he was eventually convicted of the rape.


It was a father of one of her friends that commited the offence, Maybe their parents were friends as well, I am not too sure about that. But a young lad in the neighbourhood was rumoured to have done it. He had an awful time due to this. Even though he was 100% innocent
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# 34 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 20:36
 
 
Someone said :

I'm sorry but I think that is just so misguided. How do we determine what is a false accusation?

you think its misguided to punish someone who willfully and purposefully makes a false accusation of rape against someone?

if you cant determine what a false accusation is, than surely you cant determine what a valid accusation is?
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# 35 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 20:42
 
 
Someone said :

you think its misguided to punish someone who willfully and purposefully makes a false accusation of rape against someone?

Oh you got me!

Someone said :

if you cant determine what a false accusation is, than surely you cant determine what a valid accusation is?

No I think that it is a misguided because I don't think it could be practical and because of the potential knock on effects, the fear of disbelief for victims of rape is close to paralysing, it contributes to the extremely low rates of even reporting the crime. Adding the threat of punishment to the mix would not help in my opinion.
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# 36 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 20:47
 
 
Convicted rapists should get their balls chopped off. Humanly of course.
You can survive without your balls.
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# 37 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 20:47
 
 
i understand you point Tripper, and i understand it comes from a perspective of supporting the real victims and insulating them from fear of coming forward.

however how can we possibly provide justice if there is zero consequences for making an accusation as disgusting and evil as rape against an innocent party?

human histories darkest times have been synomymous with people being found guilty of
crimes based solely on the accusations of a "victim"(be they socery ,murder or rape)

thank christ we live in a society where i cant just go around accusing people i dont like (or who i do like but who dont like me) of rape.

How evil and deleterious it is to the true victims of rape and abuse that fiends could destroy lives with false allegations and then even if discovered,could carry on without retribution?

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# 38 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 21:06
 
 
Someone said :
i understand you point Tripper, and i understand it comes from a perspective of supporting the real victims and insulating them from fear of coming forward.

That is a big part of it, another element is the sheer level of shock I felt when I discovered just how difficult it is for rape to be successfully prosecuted. Attrition rates for rape are among, if not the very highest for all crimes. The overwhelming majority of victims never receive their day in court let alone justice and the corollary of this is that the huge majority of rapists walk free.

Someone said :

however how can we possibly provide justice if there is zero consequences for making an accusation as disgusting and evil as rape against an innocent party?

human histories darkest times have been synomymous with people being found guilty of
crimes based solely on the accusations of a "victim"(be they socery ,murder or rape)

thank christ we live in a society where i cant just go around accusing people i dont like (or who i do like but who dont like me) of rape.

How evil and deleterious it is to the true victims of rape and abuse that fiends could destroy lives with false allegations and then even if discovered,could carry on without retribution?

There are consequences, an individual who made false accusation that was clearly false would be destroyed in the media and in their community.
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# 39 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 22:02
 
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there have been cases where a person has falsely made a rape allegation has been prosecuted for wasting police time and perverting the course of justice.

Didn't the guy who falsely accused Louis Walsh of sexual assault get prosecuted himself?
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# 40 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 22:06
 
 
Someone said :
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there have been cases where a person has falsely made a rape allegation has been prosecuted for wasting police time and perverting the course of justice.

Didn't the guy who falsely accused Louis Walsh of sexual assault get prosecuted himself?

Yes. The idea that someone would get the same punishment as a rapist is not appropriate IMO.
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# 41 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 22:08
 
 
Someone said :

Yes. The idea that someone would get the same punishment as a rapist is not appropriate IMO.

I think if you can establish it was false and done with intent, then a very very severe punishment should be merited though. You are effectively trying to ruin somebody's life. It damages marriages, family, relationships, friendships, employment prospects, reputation etc. It takes somebody very cold, calculating and malicious to do that in my book.

A person who makes a complaint which is not proved for lack of evidence etc would unlikely to be done for this.
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# 42 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 22:11
 
 
Someone said :

I think if you can establish it was false and done with intent, then a very very severe punishment should be merited though. You are effectively trying to ruin somebody's life. It damages marriages, family, relationships, friendships, employment prospects, reputation etc. It takes somebody very cold, calculating and malicious to do that in my book.

A person who makes a complaint which is not proved for lack of evidence etc would unlikely to be done for this.

I agree but the standard would have to be very very high IMO.
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# 43 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 22:40
 
 
Someone said :
Convicted rapists should get their balls chopped off. Humanly of course.
You can survive without your balls.

how is that human?
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# 44 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 23:16
 
 
Someone said :

I agree but the standard would have to be very very high IMO.

Beyond reasonable doubt perhaps?

Its high enough a standard to pass if rape cases are anything to go by!
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# 45 : Monday 9-1-2012 @ 23:17
 
 
Someone said :

Beyond reasonable doubt perhaps?

Its high enough a standard to pass if rape cases are anything to go by!

You've lost me I'm afraid.
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