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Your Ideal Bar/Club
 
# 1 : Saturday 8-6-2013 @ 23:47
 
 
What would your ideal bar/club consist of? Would you have a pianist in the corner or would there be a ball pit? When would it open and would the staff have uniforms. Would the music be thumping or soothing, would you have a slow set?
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# 2 : Sunday 9-6-2013 @ 15:43
 
 
Good idea for a thread

I think my ideal would have :

Evening time
No live band on during the day(kills conversation worse than any piped music or tv)
A projector screen on down one end with sports etc on ,which at least provides a bit of excitement, conversation and non intrusive distraction.
Friendly genuine staff like in my local or the rare spots in town.
I like the décor to be old fashioned, not a soulless sparkling super pub
The seating should be conducive to conversation and interaction with other punters.
No kids, which for me means infants to 25 year olds

Nightclub time
In a nightclub I do like places with a mezzanine or balcony view like the George.
Something with a focal point as opposed to some messy labyrinthine warren
Music wise most of the time Id be happy with pop ,with a bit of Irish and maybe yeah the odd slow set should be back
Again , I know I sound like a old curmudgeon but no under 25s
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# 3 : Sunday 9-6-2013 @ 19:08
 
 
Someone said :
Good idea for a thread

I think my ideal would have :

Evening time
No live band on during the day(kills conversation worse than any piped music or tv)
A projector screen on down one end with sports etc on ,which at least provides a bit of excitement, conversation and non intrusive distraction.
Friendly genuine staff like in my local or the rare spots in town.
I like the décor to be old fashioned, not a soulless sparkling super pub
The seating should be conducive to conversation and interaction with other punters.
No kids, which for me means infants to 25 year olds

Nightclub time
In a nightclub I do like places with a mezzanine or balcony view like the George.
Something with a focal point as opposed to some messy labyrinthine warren
Music wise most of the time Id be happy with pop ,with a bit of Irish and maybe yeah the odd slow set should be back
Again , I know I sound like a old curmudgeon but no under 25s

Yeah...what he said
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# 4 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 15:31
 
 
Now's your chance lads!
Make your mark, put your stamp on it!

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/commercial-property/fo etc ...
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# 5 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 16:20
 
 
Someone said :
Now's your chance lads!
Make your mark, put your stamp on it!

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/commercial-property/fo etc ...

And yet people say that the economy is not turning a corner.

The mind truly boggles
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# 6 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 16:25
 
 
Someone said :

And yet people say that the economy is not turning a corner.

The mind truly boggles

The mind boggles that you still don't see the difference between economy and society.
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# 7 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 17:22
 
 
They are for sale because the business is in receivership? How does that signal a healthy economy?
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# 8 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 22:53
 
 
Someone said :
They are for sale because the business is in receivership? How does that signal a healthy economy?

Look at their turnover ... Relative to a new company with less overheads (such as over leverage with expensive finance, revenue arrangements etc) taking them on the turnover is good and has the potential to show reasonable profit. The receivership is the throw back to large capital investment on borrowed money that couldn't be serviced when things went wrong.

To quote Rhett Butler, "there are two good times to make money, the destruction of a society and the reconstruction of society"

We are being reconstructed.

Mycroft, your mind might boggle, but clearly you feel one can be independent of the other. While I fully respect you feel that way about it I do not agree. I recommend you skip your mortgage payments for a while, see how your society is for you then. But based on your views to date I expect that the analogy will be lost ...
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# 9 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 23:00
 
 
So if they are doing so well, why are they in receivership again?

It's a good thing that carpetbaggers are in then? Interesting view of economic reconstruction.
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# 10 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 23:03
 
 
Someone said :
So if they are doing so well, why are they in receivership again?

It's a good thing that carpetbaggers are in then? Interesting view of economic reconstruction.

I stand to be corrected but the problems that were there didn't "go away" they didn't emerge from receivership? This is a progression as part of the process?

But I do stand to be corrected
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# 11 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 23:13
 
 
Exactly? So why is this a sign of a healthy economy. I'm not saying there hasn't been an uplift in the economy, but even Mr FG John Bruton said this morning that it's not strong enough to ease austerity. The kind of growth we are looking at is only going to help wealthier people, it's not going to help the rest of us.

We could be looking at ten more years of this shit and from my point of view, enough is enough.
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# 12 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 23:21
 
 
I'm not convinced continued austerity is the way to go. But if it is I think we need a deadline? A point where we can reasonably expect it to end.

I don't think it's fair to say it's only going to help wealthier people, I'm not wealthy but it's starting to help me and a lot of my peers are in the same situation. I do get that you have had a rough time but by the same token do you not feel that if average Joe like me is seeing it happen your time can't be far away?
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# 13 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 23:31
 
 
Larry Somers was on Channel 4 news yesterday saying that European austerity was a mistake, there were other options but we are stuck in a spiral of prudent spending that is straggling the free market. Even the IMF aren't convinced austerity is working so why are Fine Gael convinced it's the only way forward. They think it's some sort of drip down Reaganesque policy that will help the rich and poor alike.

Guess what it didn't work in America, there are massive communities who haven't worked since the 80s there and we are going to have the same thing here. We may have recover in Cork, Dublin and Galway but go to smaller towns and talk to business owners there? See how they are doing?

Austerity is a mistake, we won't have any meaningful growth while it continues. And countless examples around the world over the last century will show us that.
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# 14 : Wednesday 28-5-2014 @ 23:34
 
 
So what's the alternative?
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# 15 : Thursday 29-5-2014 @ 00:12
 
 
One is to increase the length of our loans, for instance the UK only paid back their WW2 loans in 2006. Why did we have to pack so much pain into a few short years? It stunted growth and will continue to do so. I mean look at France, their debt is really high but their economy hasn't struggled to the same extent as the UK because they spent their way through the recession.

Then welfare reform, turn the system back into a safety net rather than a way of life. Get long termers into properly paid programmes where they learn skills and go on to be happy, productive working people.

Health care - invest in primary care so that anyone can see a doctor early on and can deal with health issues before medical intervention becomes enormously expensive.

Education - languages, maths and science for as many students as possible so we have students leaving school speaking at least two languages as well as being as able to write simple computer code.

I'm talking about changes that could take a generation to implement, but could keep us going for many generations to come.

And number one, stop looking at our society like a balancing statement. So what if we break the 'debt ceiling', as long as you make the minimum payments there's always someone who will lend you the money.

That's what the biggest con of all was, convincing the Irish people we would be ruined without austerity - it was bullshit, we were just an European experiment that has backfired big time. We were treated like the Germans after the First World War, like it was all our fault and we had to pay.

Oddly enough though, Ireland is probably one of the only countries that hasn't gone to the right. Because the worst has happened to us, the reason other countries are jumping on far right nationalist ideals is because they don't want, what happened to us to happen to them.
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