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Trafficking Drugs As Peru-sual, Or Unfair Peru-jailing?
 
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# 16 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 16:49
 
 
Why are you trying so hard to convince people to share your point of view? Surely when you posted the topic you were interested in other peoples perspective rather than just your own?
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# 17 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 16:50
 
 
I'm not saying what they didn't wasn't criminal, but they will pay for that with their youth. I don't think judging them in the way you are is helping anyone.
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# 18 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 17:04
 
 
Someone said :
Why are you trying so hard to convince people to share your point of view? Surely when you posted the topic you were interested in other peoples perspective rather than just your own?

I am just trying to challenge the "opinions" that sound like they are being very complacent with the offenders or their level of responsibility.
That point of view seems very much informed by the original spin of the story presenting them like poor innocent victims.

I'd rather they pay for their crimes with their youth than with the youth of the people in my community, who were the target of their drug smuggling.
I have no time for drug smugglers who are trading the easy-going life they are dreaming of for the lives of the most vulnerable in our communities.

I have little time for drug users, pushers, smugglers, traffickers, and their bankers.
And I am not in the business of making excuses for them just because they photograph well.

(By the way, it seems that she had some serious drug debts when she left Spain, where she actively sough the company of drug dealers, openly enjoying the perks of being a criminal with immunity... not the lifestyle of a "naive young woman")
In more than a way she "had it coming". I am not keen on more naive and gullible media-fed idiots being parted from their hard earned cash to support her further, when she is probably already counting what he ordeal will mean in term of media-ops and book deals when she is released.
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# 19 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 17:13
 
 
People know drugs are illegal.Every country is the same.Even the the unfortunate mentally challenged people know this.To summgle drugs willing then I have no sympathy no matter what the sentence,whenever it be at least 10 years in most countries or life with/without parole or death.

They are innocent people because they have trial.I am not going to condemn them.I will say though if it was willing as it was alluded to above because they were young is no excuse.As I said above everyone country classes drugs as illegal so.....

The only thing that Saudis they fucked their lives up if they done it willingly even if they make it through their sentence,what then......the world has so much to offer and see and they would have closed so many doors.


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# 20 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 17:31
 
 
According to her lawyer, Michaela McCollum Connolly had racked up a €4K debt to a drug dealer in Ibiza and was coerced by the dealer to mule the drugs as a way to clear the debt.

In any case both young women will serve time in prison for what they did. This is the dark underbelly to the party and clubbing lifestyle in Ibiza.


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# 21 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 17:37
 
 
Someone said :
According to her lawyer, Michaela McCollum Connolly had racked up a €4K debt to a drug dealer in Ibiza and was coerced by the dealer to mule the drugs as a way to clear the debt.
[...]

Translation in plain English: the girls were dealing drugs in Ibiza, and jumped at the chance to make a quick buck.
A drug dealer/pusher in debt is not "coerced": she puts herslef in the situation where she feels it is the best option for her!

And her slowness to give the name of her accomplices says a lot about her illusion that anyone with half a brain cell will not buy the first line of their story.

"Coerced" does not mean making a business offer one feels one cannot resist.
It means being physically forced in ways that cannot be resisted. That version does not fly.
Only in films will criminals study your life and the whereabouts of your family to create such a psychological coercion that you will feel trapped into taking such a risk.
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# 22 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 17:38
 
 
Someone said :
According to her lawyer, Michaela McCollum Connolly had racked up a €4K debt to a drug dealer in Ibiza and was coerced by the dealer to mule the drugs as a way to clear the debt.

God I hate it when that happens.
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# 23 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 17:40
 
 
Wow she owed 4k to a dealer.Was she then dealing too or taking a lot of drugs?Either way it changes all.People will be sorry but on both counts she made that choice.Risks are high.
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# 24 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 17:41
 
 
Someone said :
This is the dark underbelly to the party and clubbing lifestyle in Ibiza.

It is still possible to go to Ibiza, have great time and avoid all that. So I think a person has to go looking for it or is involved already.
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# 25 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 17:43
 
 
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God I hate it when that happens.

It's part and parcel of being young and innocent.
Anonymous drug dealers are so vicious and cunning these days... who can you trust when you are so naive!

It usually takes people 3 times that amount of drug deft to realize that they have put themselves in trouble. Who can blame her? We've all been there...
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# 26 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 17:45
 
 
Someone said :
Wow she owed 4k to a dealer.Was she then dealing too or taking a lot of drugs?Either way it changes all.People will be sorry but on both counts she made that choice.Risks are high.

Of course she was!
Her friends over there have no shame in admitting that in her line of work, it is a natural part of your job description to push drugs and consume them.
That was not a "one night mistake"!


Someone said :

It is still possible to go to Ibiza, have great time and avoid all that. So I think a person has to go looking for it or is involved already.

Right!
And parents sending their kids their know what the deal is, and know how much they can trust their kids.
As a tourist or when working abroad, I am always offered drugs to consume.
I was never offered out of the blue to be a mule, from an international gang who had spend weeks to spy on me and my family to black-mail me.
I was never given a "present" from a stranger in the airport to give a friend of theirs.

But some people may be judging her from their point of view of complacency with drug use in the first place.
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# 27 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 19:53
 
 
I have to agree with the non sympathy card here. At the age of 20 they did know what they are doing, they possibly didn't think of the consequences, but they knew it was wrong.

When I was that age a little younger probably, I used to hang out with a crowd, on a sort of part time bases (if that makes sense). These guys where known to the Gardai, infact I was told by a Garda, that I was known to them by association. The guys were rich kids and thought what they where doing was beyond the law, as their parents would protect them, they use to rival in the chases from the Garda (actually more observations by the Garda of their movements) and the risks they took, basically they where little boy racers out of their heads on drugs, and dealing in their local areas. They knew damn well what they where doing was wrong, they just never thought they would have consequences to deal with.

And do you know what, they didn't for a long time (their parents protect them) all of them got shipped off to the UK for college, two of them got busted in England for dealing, one died, two ended up in "St John of gods" for breakdowns, one went off to Africa as a volunteer (just for a more rounded view) I really don't know what happened to the others.

My point is all of this guys knew what they where doing was wrong, including me (I never dealt, but use to smoke and party with them on occasions) they really didn't care about the consequences (although they where fully aware of them) of what they where doing, they thought they where breaking the rules, and being different, all they where, where want tobe drug dealers, with rich Moms and Dads, racing around in their cars.

Thankfully as far as I know they never killed anyone, except within their friends (I actually feel bad about that as he was one of the youngest one within the group, and I hope I never did anything to encourage him (his death was due to a genetic weakness in his Brain, which over usage of E and LSD type products would have caused him a brain hemorrhage, I was out of the group 3 or 4 years when I heard of his death, but in fairness he was bigger "in" with the crowd than I was, and I don't think I could have changed that.

Anyway again my point is everyone of us knew what was happening was wrong, no one was naive, very stupid yes, young and foolish yes, choose to ignore consequence. Everyone within the group knew what they where doing though, and that was at the age of 18/17.


Edit I never dealed in drugs, I just know people who did and my above post (long winded as it is) is how I observed it. I hope it doesn't cause upset to people, I'm just trying to make a point through my personnel experiences. That even low level dealers know what they are doing.


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# 28 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 21:44
 
 
It is possible to have sympathy for these two young women without condoning their actions or drug smuggling in general.
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# 29 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 21:55
 
 
Someone said :
It is possible to have sympathy for these two young women without condoning their actions or drug smuggling in general.

Yes of course it is, that is only human nature to do that, unfortunately they got caught, They where still aware of what they where doing though, they probably had the idea they where rock stars/heros/untouchable all due to taking the drugs. They still known it was wrong, the only young naive thing they believed was because they thought they might get away with it
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# 30 : Sunday 18-8-2013 @ 23:39
 
 
Someone said :

Yes of course it is, that is only human nature to do that, unfortunately they got caught, They where still aware of what they where doing though, they probably had the idea they where rock stars/heros/untouchable all due to taking the drugs. They still known it was wrong, the only young naive thing they believed was because they thought they might get away with it

There is a difference between something being wrong and something being against the law.

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