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# 46 : Sunday 17-4-2016 @ 18:16
 
 
Listening on BBC Parliament now to repeat of Question Time debate on Brexit. I cant see the remain side winning when all their arguments are prefaced by something like 'we know the EU is deeply flawed but'. Though I share that analysis. What they have going for them is the innate financial conservatism of better off people when it comes to doing something they are told is economically risky.
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# 47 : Sunday 17-4-2016 @ 18:40
 
 
what is the uk debt ?
They have their own property bubble going on , buying something in London was viewed as a safe investment , but now? People aren't going to invest in a failing economy about to collapse.
With a currency in decline once investors really start to pull out of London who knows where that economy might end up .

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# 48 : Sunday 17-4-2016 @ 18:45
 
 
Iceland is doing fine outside the EU because they didnt bail out their bondholders unlike us. We are landed with generations of debt they are not. The banking inquiry revealed the ECB forced us to bail out the bondholders.

Im in favour of an EU in some form but with power returned to the states in some areas. I also want the EU to accept referendum results that dont go their way which they never do.
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# 49 : Sunday 17-4-2016 @ 22:10
 
 
Someone said :
Iceland is doing fine outside the EU because they didnt bail out their bondholders unlike us. We are landed with generations of debt they are not. The banking inquiry revealed the ECB forced us to bail out the bondholders.

Im in favour of an EU in some form but with power returned to the states in some areas. I also want the EU to accept referendum results that dont go their way which they never do.

Iceland is in the eea which means they are in the trading area like Norway , accept eu regulations , accept free movement which is a condition of the eea and have no say .
It isn't the eu that accepts referendum results its governments, if they choose to change small protocols and hold new referendums, that's their prerogative , if the voters are really convinced surely they will give the same answer ? Not change their minds.
There might be things that we are unhappy about with the institutions that make up the eu , there are probably things we are unhappy with our own governments as eu citizens.
The problem with the U.K. Referendum is it is full of misinformation , a political party faction is using it for its own political survival , and to survive ukip .
It's total political cynicism , most of the arguments they used against Scottish independence , they are now using to leave the eu.
Many of the things they blame the eu for are lies , exaggerations and deliberate misinterpretations while they deliberately ignore every benefit that the eu has brought .
I like the Romanian ad they put up when they felt discriminated against by the uk, our women look like Kate Middleton

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# 50 : Thursday 28-4-2016 @ 20:21
 
 
European Parliament rejects ban on MEPs double jobbing. Am example of what people dislike about the EU.
http://euobserver.com/institutional/133260
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# 51 : Saturday 30-4-2016 @ 19:16
 
 
Curiously , the call the change to the rules on meps double jobbing Came from , of course, a U.K. Scandal , a labour and a conservative were caught trying to sell favours for cash .
http://www.brusselstimes.com/eu-affairs/2327/campaigners-call-for etc ...
There are 28 member states , why is it that the one with the most corruption is the One always pointing the finger at everybody else ?


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# 52 : Saturday 7-5-2016 @ 10:01
 
 
The times have started a series , life after brexit lol
But
If they leave , U.K. Citizens won't have any right to live or work in a EU country any more ?
There will probably be that two year period to settle up .
there's a lot if talk about acquired rights but I can't imagine that most uk pensioners in the sun will survive complying with residency rules , without eu index linked pensions and having to pay for private health insurance.
It will be ironic if English xenophobia forces the swop of 2 million young Eastern Europeans with the equivalent in disaffected unhappy leathery wrinkles then they will definitely see the difference between adding to an economy and draining an economy.
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# 53 : Saturday 7-5-2016 @ 11:32
 
 
The other thing I was thinking about was that it's highly unlikely that the UK is going to repeal all the EU legislation that it transposed info it's laws or do they plan to?
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# 54 : Sunday 8-5-2016 @ 02:34
 
 
I saw boris give an interview where he said they would .
And he's their future sic pm .
But in reality if they remain in the eea or have bilateral treaties like Switzerland they will have to pass those laws anyway .
And
Interestingly the commissions new trade policy requires that countries they negotiate trade deals with accept the jurisdiction of the European court something the conservatives want to wriggle away from .
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# 55 : Sunday 8-5-2016 @ 06:44
 
 
Again with focus on the outcome for Britain.

It's the eu that you should be worried about if one of its biggest cheque writers pulls out.

The neverending handouts flung at Spain, Portugal, south of Italy, the Irish border etc will hit a serious roadblock.

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# 56 : Sunday 8-5-2016 @ 09:13
 
 
Re above obviously withdrawal will take a number of years and much will need to be negotiated. The treaties provide for a two year process of withdrawal.
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# 57 : Sunday 8-5-2016 @ 09:45
 
 
2 years , enough to learn a language, exchange a driving license , probably not enough to apply for citizenship .
The human price of brexit will be Brits will have to apply for residency and meet residency requirements , pass language tests, exchange driving licenses , and the U.K. Will have its residency requirements which are language and minimum salary and probably driving license too .
One thing it will do us increase red tape and paperwork and queues .
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# 58 : Sunday 8-5-2016 @ 10:13
 
 
Post brexit
Expect any rules the uk imposes on eu citizens for residency purposes to be equally imposed on uk citizens ,
Given that there are different tax bands for non eu citizens in most eu countries and they have language requirements for residency including exams , I expect there will be many disgruntled retired uk citizens returning from their Eu retirement.

If the countries of the U.K. Vote differently the negotiation may accommodate this reality as well .
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# 59 : Sunday 8-5-2016 @ 12:37
 
 
Yes, it will be very much in the interest of the rural and coastal economies of Spain, Portugal and France to have droves of British up and leave.

It's amazing that decades on, southern Europe still cannot make enough money to run itself and continues to cry for handouts.
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# 60 : Sunday 8-5-2016 @ 12:40
 
 
Someone said :
Yes, it will be very much in the interest of the rural and coastal economies of Spain, Portugal and France to have droves of British up and leave.

It's amazing that decades on, southern Europe still cannot make enough money to run itself and continues to cry for handouts.

Are we, with our bail out, not included in those who needed handouts?
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