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# 616 : Friday 5-5-2017 @ 14:26
 
 
If Britain is delusional, living in a world of far fetched fantasy has worked very well for France.

The farce of the EUs second parliament.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10565686/The-far etc ...
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# 617 : Friday 5-5-2017 @ 19:03
 
 
Someone said :
If Britain is delusional, living in a world of far fetched fantasy has worked very well for France.

The farce of the EUs second parliament.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10565686/The-far etc ...

Why do the brexshitters care they are leaving europe ?
So what should the european press do ? Publish articles on how the British waste taxpayers money ?
Heating sheds in ni arleeeeeeeen will cost how much ?
How much did the torys illegally spend on their election campaign?
Hoe much did ukip swindle off europe?
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# 618 : Friday 5-5-2017 @ 19:18
 
 
Someone said :

I'm not convinced. She has put the backs up of the EU negotiators and has a baying mob behind her now cheering it on.

In my darker moods I think she might end up cancelling devolution and abolishing the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly. I think she is going to get a landslide victory on June the 8th and can do whatever she wants. Scotland in particular has shown itself to be resistant to her message so I can't see her agreeing to another Independence referendum.

She cant abolish stormont because its part of an internationally recognised treaty ,
She probsbly cant row back on devolution to wales and scotland and not ni so theyll be thewarted there.
I think she can say no to a scottish independence referendum but scotland can go ahead anyway and that would be counter productive so theyd never do that.

They wont go for a hard brexit , they have said they will accept free movement and the european court of justice you do realise thats setting the scene for a limp brexit , for overboiled and left soaking in water that soft spaghetti brexit.
They will dump ni , fishermen their own farmers pensioners living abroad to get any deal that will allow their city to trade into europe if they dont theyre fucked its as simple as that .
They will do anything say anything but thats what they want.
The eu side will get the public concessions out of them , thats why the british want it done in private and the eu side transparently.


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# 619 : Wednesday 10-5-2017 @ 09:37
 
 
This is great



The brit domino says shit because there is obviously no domino effect and it's fallen out by itself

Now that's art

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# 620 : Sunday 14-5-2017 @ 10:16
 
 
Someone said :
If Britain is delusional, living in a world of far fetched fantasy has worked very well for France.

The farce of the EUs second parliament.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10565686/The-far etc ...

It seems the new president (who studied in Strasbourg) may agree to releasing Strasbourg in exchange for getting some of the agencies located in London, like the European Medicines Agency (EMA).

One has to remember that the dual parliament principle was one of the basis of the foundation of the EU, when it started long before the UK started pissing on the parade. It was a permanent reminder of peace between France and Germany.

Now, consider this: the EMA in London has a contract running till 2039 with the London landlord, and no break-up close in place. This may cost €347 to the EU!

A more likely option is that he will turn Strasbourg into a euro-zone parliament , where the European Finance Minister will seat within 5 years. he may even be that first Finance Minister after his term as French President!
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# 621 : Sunday 14-5-2017 @ 22:47
 
 
Someone said :

It seems the new president (who studied in Strasbourg) may agree to releasing Strasbourg in exchange for getting some of the agencies located in London, like the European Medicines Agency (EMA).

One has to remember that the dual parliament principle was one of the basis of the foundation of the EU, when it started long before the UK started pissing on the parade. It was a permanent reminder of peace between France and Germany.

Now, consider this: the EMA in London has a contract running till 2039 with the London landlord, and no break-up close in place. This may cost €347 to the EU!

A more likely option is that he will turn Strasbourg into a euro-zone parliament , where the European Finance Minister will seat within 5 years. he may even be that first Finance Minister after his term as French President!

The UK government is responsible for all of the costs of moving the two agencies in london , including any lease

The european commission will decide where the agencies will move.

Now the French/German axis will be renewed and the 27 will move unimpeded by the ever moaning england towards ever closer Union, where the parliament sits is irrelevant.

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# 622 : Monday 15-5-2017 @ 09:10
 
 
Davis the twat who didn't even understand what the customs union and the single market were when he was appointed announced so I suppose it's their official policy though it might just be election noise that they won't agree to the EU demand to settle the issue of their money debt and the EU/uk border in Ireland, they just want to freeze eu citizens rights in the Uk and Uk Citizens in the EU .

It's interesting straight off the bat that he used the word freeze because of course Uk citizens at present in the EU have their pensions index linked and this is guaranteed under EU law and outside the EU they are frozen and very low and obviously the conservatives want to strip this index linking of pensions off their foreign pensioners ...
I think they are guaranteed in Ireland under our existing bilateral arrangements but it remains to be seen if they will continue after brexit.

I wonder why the conservatives would want to make it difficult for their poorer pensioners to live abroad ? Or is it just ideological disdain for the poor and disregard for what effects their policies have?
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# 623 : Tuesday 16-5-2017 @ 11:16
 
 
the DUP and Arleen in the news again , they accepted half a million from the saudis before the brexit referendum and spent it in Britain on pro brexit publicity :shocking isn't it.
In ni they don't have the same rules on disclosing the source of donations so hey presto dup sees opportunity .

The dup are increasingly tools , either of the ukiptory party or of any foreign government or group with a vested interest willing to pay ...


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# 624 : Wednesday 17-5-2017 @ 22:38
 
 
Someone said :

The UK government is responsible for all of the costs of moving the two agencies in london , including any lease

The EU will demand it from the UK. But nothing says that
a) it will happen
b) it will not be compensated by something else, meaning that the EU may still pay for it indirectly through a concession à-la-UK-cheque, just to save face

It is part of the "Brexit Bill" negotiation items. So no one can tell if it will happen, or at what real cost.
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# 625 : Thursday 18-5-2017 @ 09:57
 
 
Someone said :

The EU will demand it from the UK. But nothing says that
a) it will happen
b) it will not be compensated by something else, meaning that the EU may still pay for it indirectly through a concession à-la-UK-cheque, just to save face

It is part of the "Brexit Bill" negotiation items. So no one can tell if it will happen, or at what real cost.

the agencies will move whenever the commission decides to wherever the commission decides and the ukgov will be responsible for the logistics i.e. They will pay.
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# 626 : Friday 19-5-2017 @ 18:57
 
 
Someone said :

the agencies will move whenever the commission decides to wherever the commission decides and the ukgov will be responsible for the logistics i.e. They will pay.

If they agree to pay!
All international relationships are the result of agreements. We are not at war with the UK!
And they may "pay" for this, but get an equivalent leeway for something else, meaning they'd actually not pay anything, in a zero-sum game.

That is what they call them "negotiations". Otherwise they would be called "rulings"...
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# 627 : Saturday 20-5-2017 @ 11:14
 
 
Someone said :

If they agree to pay!
All international relationships are the result of agreements. We are not at war with the UK!
And they may "pay" for this, but get an equivalent leeway for something else, meaning they'd actually not pay anything, in a zero-sum game.

That is what they call them "negotiations". Otherwise they would be called "rulings"...

But the british try to negotiate rulings as well ha ha
When they got the extra bill for their their extra earnings from the proceeds of money laundering and prostitution they loudly said they were going to try and negotiate it demanded the "reform" of Europe even though they were the ones making vast sums from money laundering and prostitution and then quietly paid up in full.

If that example is anything to go by they'll shout a lot and then get out their chequebooks , that's why the british wanted secret negotiations and the EU imposed open negotiations.
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# 628 : Sunday 21-5-2017 @ 16:20
 
 
Someone said :

But the british try to negotiate rulings as well ha ha
When they got the extra bill for their their extra earnings from the proceeds of money laundering and prostitution they loudly said they were going to try and negotiate it demanded the "reform" of Europe even though they were the ones making vast sums from money laundering and prostitution and then quietly paid up in full.

If that example is anything to go by they'll shout a lot and then get out their chequebooks , that's why the british wanted secret negotiations and the EU imposed open negotiations.

And that is why it is not as simple as "they will pay".
They will be asked strongly, and will resist for all they can, or bend a bit against a token, or bend over. We do not know. But you are right that if it's in the open it is less likely to be favorable to them.

But in a negotiation, it is never a good idea to humiliate the other party. Have we not learned from the Treaty of Versailles? We are not far from the Brexit conclusion falling on the centenary of 28 June 1919!
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# 629 : Monday 22-5-2017 @ 09:11
 
 
Someone said :

And that is why it is not as simple as "they will pay".
They will be asked strongly, and will resist for all they can, or bend a bit against a token, or bend over. We do not know. But you are right that if it's in the open it is less likely to be favorable to them.

But in a negotiation, it is never a good idea to humiliate the other party. Have we not learned from the Treaty of Versailles? We are not far from the Brexit conclusion falling on the centenary of 28 June 1919!

It's interesting this idea of " humiliation" when of course it's not at all the case , the bill the uk faces is legitimate costs for what it signed up to and profited from it's not money it gave altruistically.
Their gov took a stance on the earlier payments that was aimed at its domestic audience and then paid up in full because after all of their hot air they knew it was necessary.
Now they've involved the general public again for open electoral reasons and it's ridiculous because they just repeat vapid phrases and sound bites and the reality is just like the other money they owed it's not a negotiation it's a bill, it's justified and there isn't a question but they should pay it and their arguing it while it might make the ukippers and Toryright feel good is that a good enough reason when they will feel pissed off when it's paid ?

No access to the single market just financial services will cost the uk economy 25-36 billion a year they need to change their negotiating team soonest
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# 630 : Saturday 27-5-2017 @ 00:04
 
 
Oh look the sky has fallen
growth 0.2 inflation rising and the fact immigration has dropped means less money for the exchequer as predicted so the country is poorer and is going to get poorer.

And the pound is dropping because of these factors

Well no one can say they weren't told
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