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Migration To The European Union - What To Do?
 
# 16 : Friday 7-8-2015 @ 18:56
 
 
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Easy with the language there! You can make your point without insulting people.

Ok, I'm sorry. I just felt that the poster was demeaning distressed human beings.
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# 17 : Friday 7-8-2015 @ 20:18
 
 
The rickety boats are never going to stop coming now. Europe needs to come up with a humane solution and spread the burden around evenly.
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# 18 : Friday 7-8-2015 @ 20:25
 
 
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The rickety boats are never going to stop coming now. Europe needs to come up with a humane solution and spread the burden around evenly.

Nah, they're much more useful when used as political pawns!

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# 19 : Friday 7-8-2015 @ 20:25
 
 
Invest in more submarines?
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# 20 : Friday 7-8-2015 @ 22:40
 
 
Good discussion going in this thread. IMO Europe will have to accept the fact that it is a very wealthy little continent in close proximity to very poor Africa, the source of most of these migrants. The desperation of the African migrants is obvious when they knowingly risk their lives on rickety little boats to cross the Mediterranean. Europe can't keep ignoring the issue as it is only set to worsen, not lessen.

Pumping more aid into third world countries is only part of the solution. The inequality and corruption in Africa needs to be addressed and tackled if the continent is ever to have a hope of developing. Migrant policy in the EU also needs to be revisited.

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# 21 : Friday 7-8-2015 @ 22:46
 
 
Africa doesn't need aid, It needs investment. Something china has been doing for years which has been mutually benefiting African countries and china.
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# 22 : Friday 7-8-2015 @ 23:15
 
 
Good article in The Spectator about aid and how it hasn't reduced poverty in Africa:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9121361/why-aid-fails/
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# 23 : Saturday 8-8-2015 @ 01:55
 
 
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I call total bullcrap on this. It actually makes me so fucking angry that I can't even come up with a proper response. Downgrading the status of refugees just because it is supposedly easier to travel would be a vile attack on human rights. And it doesn't even apply to migrants crossing the water from Libya as they are travelling on boats that could be as old as the refugee convention, they certainly wouldn't be any better than what was available in 1951.

The only way we will ever stop this is if the west stops being so fucking selfish and shares its wealth with rest of the world. Someone mentioned something about €60m in aid as if that was actually a big amount, its a fucking pittance.

Its so easy for us, sitting in our houses that aren't in any danger of being blown up to say 'oh leave them to drown, send them all back, we give enough'. If we gave enough, migrants wouldn't need to come here. And what we do give is mostly swallowed up by dictators and civil servants who are paid by western governments and companies so that they are allowed to continue pillaging poorer regions of the earth for every last bit of oil, copper or whatever natural resources they have.

If anywhere should be bombed to smithereens, it should be the west.

In an ocean of lies,a sea of truth,well said Lisa.
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# 24 : Saturday 8-8-2015 @ 03:11
 
 
Aid to African governments needs to be firmly tied to democracy and human rights and fighting corruption. Ultimately that will help reduce the outflux and grow their economies. Other aud should be channelled via NGOs.

A central problem in these countries is dictatorship and the role of the security forces in coups. The EU should require human rights training for security forces as a condition fir aid, as well as independent judiciary, and tracing of aid to ensure it gets where it's supposed to. It's tough love.

Africas population is exploding so taking them all onto Europe is not realistic and could lead to the negative consequences seen in the UK, France and the Netherlands with radical Islam, growth of Far Right parties etc. Many of these migrants hail from Muslim countries.
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# 25 : Saturday 8-8-2015 @ 10:29
 
 
Noone suggested that Europe takes all of Africa

I'm always genuinely very sad and angry when I see people forget common humanity and basically suggest we should leave people to drown.
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# 26 : Saturday 8-8-2015 @ 10:39
 
 
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Noone suggested that Europe takes all of Africa

I'm always genuinely very sad and angry when I see people forget common humanity and basically suggest we should leave people to drown.

Of course not but I think saving people's lives shouldn't have to mean allowing them to stay here forever. We need a new Refugee Convention so we can return them after their countries are safe again. In many cases it's the actual journey that puts their lives in danger. The Zapatero govt in Spain brought in an amnesty around 10 years ago and since then about twice as many have come there.

Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria should be pressured to share the burden.
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# 27 : Saturday 8-8-2015 @ 12:07
 
 
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Of course not but I think saving people's lives shouldn't have to mean allowing them to stay here forever. We need a new Refugee Convention so we can return them after their countries are safe again. In many cases it's the actual journey that puts their lives in danger. The Zapatero govt in Spain brought in an amnesty around 10 years ago and since then about twice as many have come there.

Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria should be pressured to share the burden.

So

We should people to settle here, find jobs, perhaps form families and friends and then deport them just because they're Non European foreigners?

How inhumane
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# 28 : Saturday 8-8-2015 @ 12:33
 
 
On Marian Finucane hauliers are complaining that their companies are facing ruin because of stowaways in Calais boarding their vehicles making the companies liable for fines as traffickers.

Once you are in the EU you are safe as far as I am concerned and I don't accept there's a right to travel on to other EU states. The purpose of asylum is safety not economic.


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# 29 : Saturday 8-8-2015 @ 12:35
 
 
Because some of them are traffickers.
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# 30 : Saturday 8-8-2015 @ 12:39
 
 
Germany is set to receive well over 400,000 refugees this year alone.

I really don't get why some Irish people are up in arms with the handful of people who may move there. It really shouldn't be an issue.
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