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Muslim Men Wearing The Veil/Burkha
 
# 1 : Tuesday 30-8-2016 @ 08:01
 
 
Do you think, or agree that like Muslim women. The husbands/men should also be required to wear the veil/Burkha and keep things equal?
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# 2 : Tuesday 30-8-2016 @ 12:47
 
 
Hmmmm, what a lazy generic badly thought out ignorant vacuous question. No woman in Ireland or Europe is required to wear a burka. Those countries that do require women to wear the veil deem the veil women's clothes not mens.

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# 3 : Tuesday 30-8-2016 @ 13:02
 
 
What If men were required to wear these items, in the Country where it's required of women to do so. What would be their re-action?
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# 4 : Tuesday 30-8-2016 @ 13:14
 
 
It would stop being a requirement.
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# 5 : Tuesday 30-8-2016 @ 18:04
 
 
Someone said :
Hmmmm, what a lazy generic badly thought out ignorant vacuous question. No woman in Ireland or Europe is required to wear a burka. Those countries that do require women to wear the veil deem the veil women's clothes not mens.

The underlining logic of the veil being imposed to (muslim) women is that
- Men are pigs and cannot control their sexual urges;
- Women, the victims of that piggery, have to be protected from them pigs;
- It is easy to punish the victims than the perpetrators

Thus, that social (not religious) obligation imposed on these women, comes from lazy pigs being pigs and being lazy.
Thus, there is no chance that anything will be imposed on men: that would require a mental process where the victims are not protected by being punished, but where the law protects the victims from the perpetrators.

Plus it would also lead to a though process about child protection. And in the cultures where women are oppressed, children are abused (Ireland knows that better than any other country where such freeing thoughts are allowed). The pigs writing the laws for pigs are not going to start protecting their favorite victims: women and children.
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# 6 : Tuesday 30-8-2016 @ 19:53
 
 
Someone said :

Men are pigs

You giving Pigs a very bad reputation here Blah
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# 7 : Saturday 11-2-2017 @ 11:53
 
 
Absolutely well said. Thanks
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# 8 : Saturday 11-2-2017 @ 11:59
 
 

I meant to refer to BlaH ... 'Absolutely well said. Thanks'
(Jesus, this time delay can cause problems in conversations)
I lived in these countries.
There is no legal, social or media protection for the victims.
And every year their plight intensifies.
.....
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# 9 : Saturday 11-2-2017 @ 17:49
 
 
I have no problem with the headscarf on Muslim women. Sure plenty of Irish women wore headscarves up until the 70s/80s. I think at one stage it was a requirement for women to wear a scarf in a church.

I DO have a problem with the niquab and the burka. The latter is an abomination. It is the garb of oppression. You hardly ever see a woman in a niquab here in Ireland but when I do I admit I feel pretty uncomfortable. I just don't consider it compatible with Western values.
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# 10 : Saturday 11-2-2017 @ 19:35
 
 
Someone said :
I think at one stage it was a requirement for women to wear a scarf in a church.

And that's ok??????
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# 11 : Saturday 11-2-2017 @ 19:46
 
 
Someone said :
No woman in Ireland or Europe is required to wear a burka. Those countries that do require women to wear the veil deem the veil women's clothes not mens.

Have you spoken to them all or are you deliberately interpreting Choco's comments in so narrow a fashion that you can have a go at him? I don't think anyone reading it flatly could have interpreted Choco's comment as meaning State sanctioned enforcement of veiling.

Obviously there is no State enforced veiling in Ireland. There are women however, who are forced to wear the veil. I know one. I know what happened to her when she walked from the UCD veterinary school to Dundrum one day and was reported to her parents for being without her head covering, by attendees at the Clonskeagh mosque.

The question of whether the restrictive female dress codes imposed by certain Islamic traditions on females, should they be equally applied to males, would survive is a worthy one. Much like many feminists maintain that if men could get pregnant abortion would be not only not illegal in this country but widely available.
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# 12 : Saturday 11-2-2017 @ 19:58
 
 
Thank you, for playing the ball and not using the high tackle.
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# 13 : Saturday 11-2-2017 @ 20:36
 
 
I'm totally on board with people making personal clothing, fashion and adornment choices that is in line with their needs/ identities and sense of fashion.

I’m not at all in personal peace with the external decree of what people should and MUST wear due to encultured gendered ideas.

(Free the nipple)

When exactly trend, culture and style becomes oppressive is difficult to discern - but we should all feel at all times, open to challenging - examples and ourselves.
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# 14 : Saturday 11-2-2017 @ 21:40
 
 
The thing I can't help thinking of is,

when a family is in a multicultural country and they "bring their culture there"
There is eventually going to be that conversation between a parent and a child.

"I'm not wearing this stupid headscarf"
"that headscarf is part of your cultural tradition"
"none of my friends wear it, it's stupid" and so forth


I mean isn't that what happened to Ireland? aren't women supposed to be wearing hats at mass? aren't there supposed to be no condoms, or divorces?


What makes muslim "serious" and Christianity "something you can take with a pinch of salt" won't 99% of Muslim families living in America, Ireland, England, Europe eventually fade from 'active' to "don't really give a shit" with each new generation?. Won't there stupid traditions fade as newer generations see how stupid they are? just like our stupid traditions faded as our newer generations see how stupid they are.

Isn't it already happening? I can see a story of when that woman's daughter is young telling her children "yea, your grandmother was spotted without a head scaft and she was (presumably) beaten for it" and the children will be "Wow, how backward"
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# 15 : Sunday 12-2-2017 @ 05:14
 
 
Someone said :
And that's ok??????

I never said it was OK - I was just showing that religious enforced dress codes existed in Ireland for women too, and in the living memory of many.
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