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Muslim Men Wearing The Veil/Burkha
 
# 16 : Sunday 12-2-2017 @ 05:28
 
 
Someone said :
The thing I can't help thinking of is,

when a family is in a multicultural country and they "bring their culture there"
There is eventually going to be that conversation between a parent and a child.

"I'm not wearing this stupid headscarf"
"that headscarf is part of your cultural tradition"
"none of my friends wear it, it's stupid" and so forth


I mean isn't that what happened to Ireland? aren't women supposed to be wearing hats at mass? aren't there supposed to be no condoms, or divorces?


What makes muslim "serious" and Christianity "something you can take with a pinch of salt" won't 99% of Muslim families living in America, Ireland, England, Europe eventually fade from 'active' to "don't really give a shit" with each new generation?. Won't there stupid traditions fade as newer generations see how stupid they are? just like our stupid traditions faded as our newer generations see how stupid they are.

Isn't it already happening? I can see a story of when that woman's daughter is young telling her children "yea, your grandmother was spotted without a head scaft and she was (presumably) beaten for it" and the children will be "Wow, how backward"

But that's not really happening. Countries that have Islam as their predominant religion are becoming more fundamentalist and Islamist in culture and politics. Each generation of Islamic people in non-Islamic countries (like in Europe and the USA) appear to be more radical and religious than their parents in many cases. This is a worrying trend.

I personally think that a big difference between Christianity and Islam is that. Christianity had the Enlightenment in the 18th century, which led to the slow but quickening process of rational thought over religious dogma and secularisation of Christian societies. Islam never had an enlightenment era in its history. Many Middle Eastern countries have gone from primitive nomadic desert cultures to relatively wealthy countries in just a generation or two - largely thanks to oil. That is problematic.

Islam is not integrating into host Western societies and this is the key problem.


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# 17 : Sunday 12-2-2017 @ 10:06
 
 
The Christian Countries you speak of, began educating their citizens and they began to realize over time that the bible was full of holes.
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# 18 : Sunday 12-2-2017 @ 23:08
 
 
Someone said :

Islam is not integrating into host Western societies and this is the key problem.

Do you mean integration or assimilation?

I often see statements like this but the reality is much more complex and its not really true. Many Western countries have had peaceful migration of muslims into their countries. Many Muslims are part of their communities across all Western countries. Yes there are ghettoes and there are many that do not integrate but a blase statement like this is completely removed from the nuanced truth.
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# 19 : Monday 13-2-2017 @ 20:25
 
 

In Denmark they just give everybody a Danish name , old name gone and hey presto they're Danish,no phobes can get all knickers skidded because they dont hear no Muhammeds or bud or even Charles and they have Danish lessons .
But then they aren't a xenophobic society.
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# 20 : Monday 13-2-2017 @ 20:33
 
 
Do you think the reasons that the British don't integrate when they move abroad are similar to the reasons Muslims don't? ie language , cultural differences , there are actual towns in spain where they are unable to speak Spanish and they've no idea of any Spanish customs or culture and they don't understand Spanish politics , how can they be integrated?
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# 21 : Tuesday 14-2-2017 @ 01:28
 
 
Someone said :
But that's not really happening. Countries that have Islam as their predominant religion are becoming more fundamentalist and Islamist in culture and politics.

I'm not talking about those countries.

Each generation of Islamic people in non-Islamic countries (like in Europe and the USA) appear to be more radical and religious than their parents in many cases

No they don't appear to be more radical and religious, They appear to be less radical and less religious.
Every practicing Muslim I've ever met who was roughly my age, was further away from radical and religious then my parent were of Christianity. In fact I have personally met more radical Christians my own age, then muslim. True this might be because there are so many more people in this country raised in the christian faith, but the point remains I've never met a muslim person in university, locally, through gay apps, that practice their religion any more frantically then my neighbor practices Christianity. Most of the ones I've met outright ignore the faith they were raised in all together (like i do with christianity) whenever their parents aren't standing next to them.

I personally think that a big difference between Christianity and Islam is that. Christianity had the Enlightenment in the 18th century, which led to the slow but quickening process of rational thought over religious dogma and secularisation of Christian societies

Man, that sounds too obnoxious. Have you seen what we're doing with your 200 year head start on the enlightenment? abortion rights? trump? brexit? bombing syria?
We christians, with the benefit two centuries of rational beliefs behind us still have the westboro baptist church, and people who literally believe in 'Creationism' and 'magic', in power in one of the largest and most powerful countries of the western hemisphere.

Christianity is just as "bad" as Islam. In fact it's worse, at least Islam isn't deceiving.
One of the core Mechanisms of the Christian faith is the idea that "you can and should lie to manipulate people, if you're powerful enough to get away with it"
it;s the wormy, lying, hypocritical rat, of religions. Raping murdering and abusing children behind closed doors. Spreading pointless and dangerous, HIV causing, overpopulating "wisedom" about sex. Pontificating the honor in poverty and meekness from the most luxurious, decadent palace, probably on the planet.

Islam is not integrating into host Western societies and this is the key problem.

It's not about integrating Islam. These people are war refugees. War refugees that we bombed I might add: we are the nazis in this equation.
Islam can go and shite. as can Christianity. we have a duty to be human beings first, and custodians of our "magic made up shite" second.

All we have to do with our 'enlightened superior culture' is keep religion out of government. which BTW we could have done with practicing a little better with Christianity.
when Mr muslim brings enough of his war ravaged families to make up 1% of our population, and he says "hey what about this sharia law business"
the answer is "nope, we keep your magic and faries and made up stuff out of the running of a state, just like we keep the other magic and faries out of it, and if you don't like it, you'll die of old age, and each new generation will care less and less about it"

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# 22 : Tuesday 14-2-2017 @ 02:06
 
 
Where did I say Christianity is better than Islam? Both religions in their fundamentalist form are vile - in fact all Abhrahamic religions, Judaism included - are deeply problematic for human progress in my book. I'm more than well aware of the damage Catholicism has done to this country. Religion has caused more harm than good - all over the world.

And calling my opinion obnoxious just says more about your reaction to my post than about my opinions. I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours.

I have a problem with the niquab and the burka in this country. In my opinion they are not compatible with our values (as well as being a security issue). I'm not going to be changing this opinion anytime soon.
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# 23 : Tuesday 14-2-2017 @ 02:30
 
 
I said it sounded obnoxious. which it did. it sounded like you were saying Christianity has a benefit over Islam becasue "we've" been through the age enlightenment.

The rest was me refuting the benefit of the enlightenment, on the likes of christian fundamentalists, and deny that Christianity is any better then Islam, wither or not you were making that point.
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