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An Openly Gay Man Is The Next Leader Of Ireland
 
# 16 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 02:01
 
 
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Only to you

Only to you? That's all ya got chicken?
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# 17 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 02:26
 
 
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Only to you? That's all ya got chicken?

What does amazing mean when written by a xenophobe?pigeon
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# 18 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 09:14
 
 
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he wsa next in line , pretty clear he was gonna win , how long he will last is question , he has a lot of issues to deal with , and the public didn't vote him in , just his party .

His party members didnt even back him. Coveney got 65% backing from members
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# 19 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 09:20
 
 
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Leo Varadkar, a 38 yr old gay son of an Indian immigrant is the presumptive next Taoiseach.

Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

Isn't it just amazing that the poor, women looking for their reproductive rights, workers, trade unionists, migrants will now be able to celebrate being kicked in the teeth by a gay man instead of the usual straight
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# 20 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 09:54
 
 



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# 21 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 09:59
 
 
What is amazing is that 2 female prime ministers in Britain have come from the Right and in Ireland, an openly, mixed ethnic Indian prime minister has come from the Right.
And the Left??...
For all their bluster.

Looks like some members of minorities don't need leg-ups and quotas to smash glass ceilings. The most successful ones. Some people moan and crib, others get on with it and make it happen.

And yes Varadkar is more liberal on abortion and a referendum more likely under him, no matter what he may said to manouever himself into the FG leadership.

He's there now. He no longer has to win their vote, but the country's. Let's see.
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# 22 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 10:28
 
 
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What is amazing is that 2 female prime ministers in Britain have come from the Right and in Ireland, an openly, mixed ethnic Indian prime minister has come from the Right.
And the Left??...
For all their bluster.

Looks like some members of minorities don't need leg-ups and quotas to smash glass ceilings. The most successful ones. Some people moan and crib, others get on with it and make it happen.

And yes Varadkar is more liberal on abortion and a referendum more likely under him, no matter what he may said to manouever himself into the FG leadership.

He's there now. He no longer has to win their vote, but the country's. Let's see.

Jaysus. You'd swear the hard work of the left never gave people like Thatcher, May or Varadkar any opportunities at all.

You'd swear the way some go on that Thatcher was a hardcore feminist and Varadkar had been battling for lgbt rights for decades
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# 23 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 10:30
 
 
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What is amazing is that 2 female prime ministers in Britain have come from the Right and in Ireland, an openly, mixed ethnic Indian prime minister has come from the Right.
And the Left??...
For all their bluster.

Looks like some members of minorities don't need leg-ups and quotas to smash glass ceilings. The most successful ones. Some people moan and crib, others get on with it and make it happen.

And yes Varadkar is more liberal on abortion and a referendum more likely under him, no matter what he may said to manouever himself into the FG leadership.

He's there now. He no longer has to win their vote, but the country's. Let's see.

You are ridiculously conflating political persuasion with gender and throwing in ethnicity to try and make a point? I'm not sure what it is?but in reality you conveniently ignore that in the Uk two first ministers are women and two leaders of plaid cymru and Sinn Fein , the leader of ukip would have been a woman if farage hadn't blocked her election.
In Ireland we've had 2 presidents and the next leader of Sinn Fein will be a woman , the most effective representatives of the left are women .

The more interesting characteristic to examine though is what type of schools/unis they attended and that's where it gets a bit tired because mostly Boris and cameron etc went to eton and in Ireland we have our own little clique of private schools as well ... unfortunately that covers a lot of the political spectrum , if you are addressing the glass ceiling and referring to women it's only in scandi countries where they legislated for equal 50% representation where they got it.

But luckily we have pr and after the last election lots and lots of independents have broken the mould of party political politics so they are anything but stereotypical which is wonderful for politics and we have an incredibly representative dail now

The citizens assembly has recommended that article 8 be repealed so that would happen if it was coveney or varadker .


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# 24 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 12:59
 
 
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What is amazing is that 2 female prime ministers in Britain have come from the Right and in Ireland, an openly, mixed ethnic Indian prime minister has come from the Right.
And the Left??...
For all their bluster.[...]

You seem to forget the first female Irish President...

You seem to forget that if it were not for the left's constant (though sometimes misguided) battles for LGBT rights [even when it was not popular] then Leo's coming out would have been much harder, nay impossible.
If it were for his party colleagues alone, he would not be where he is

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As for those who condemn him for not being a lefty, or not being out before it was fashionable, or for being closeted for so long while wearing the cloak of hetero-supremacy, they have to remember that he is part of that last generation split between a progressive left and a regressive right: he let himself grow on the wrong side of the fence. He had to overcome other hang-ups against his heritage.

It does not diminish the fact that eventually he took the correct path. Who cares if it is opportunistic.

Not every one is lucky enough to have communist parents!

Video Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQU9gsl7n7c

And I prefer a right-winger coming out "later" in life and carrying the flag (without making it his whole identify); than an inspiring left-winger whose life-time struggle for gay rights is spoiled by a misguided, misinformed, arrogant and indefensible support for underage grooming.


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# 25 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 13:30
 
 
This is like the Brexit thread...
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# 26 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 19:06
 
 
There's a certain irony here that an openly gay, ethically mixed man like Leo Varadkar is so right wing. I suspect he'll do the LGBT community no favours as he probably thinks that we've achieved perfect equality now. He was t exactly stellar as a minister - he seems to be a lot of bluster and talk but thin on action.

Leo cutting the mental health budget by 30% was a disgraceful, cynical act. He's certainly an Irish politician through and through - a brass neck and opportunist.

I wanted Coveney to win. But I think he's too shy, too reserved for the top job. We'll just have to see how Leo gets on. Perusing other web fora, it's refreshing to see that his sexuality and mixed ethnicity has not been a big point of the discussion in terms of him being the new Taoiseach. Instead, focus has been on his ministerial track record and political leanings.

The international media are pretty astounded at Leo's election. They are holding it up as an example of how fast Ireland has moved away from being a State dictated by hard line Catholic moral doctrine in the past 25 years.

I just remember when Leo was door to door canvassing in the 2007 GE and I was at the family home in Castleknock and answered the door to him and when I tried to engage with Leo on housing and urban planning issues facing Dublin 15 he was very arrogant, patronising and dismissive. Since then, I've had a dislike for the man.

But time will tell...


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# 27 : Saturday 3-6-2017 @ 23:09
 
 
Ehhhhhhhhhhhh brandly newly openly gayly?

Tipsy Edit : I mean he's gay but he's only been openly gay for a little while really. As others have pointed out his position on a lot of social issues is not exactly warm and fuzzy. He has a lot to prove before we all start gushing over him.
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# 28 : Sunday 4-6-2017 @ 00:45
 
 
Im sure Leo has a queue willing to gush over him anyway.
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# 29 : Sunday 4-6-2017 @ 08:51
 
 
Is this the same Leo who waited until others in his party risked their political careers in a conservative party by coming out in order to persuade their and his leader that marriage for same-sex couples is something he could support if the Constitutional Convention supported it?

Tell me, is this the same Leo whose cautious, conservative party leader was able to joke that he'd been to a gay bar before Leo had been?

It is cool we have a gay man leading a major political party and very likely to be Taoiseach very shortly. But Leo has made no contribution to Irish lgbt life.
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# 30 : Sunday 4-6-2017 @ 12:11
 
 
It's better than if it were worse...
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