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Silly Principles You Uphold
 
# 76 : Tuesday 25-7-2017 @ 23:33
 
 
Greenman, are you related to Blah by any chance.? Idioms in a syntax is never a problem to me as I don#t know that much about it, though I once had to attend casualty with a split affinitive, but God spare me from those who say "no problem" when there really is no problem, I gave you money, you gave me what I purchased, I thanked you and I was unaware that there might be a problem lurking in that transaction.
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# 77 : Wednesday 26-7-2017 @ 00:48
 
 
Someone said :
I've tried to not be a dick about it, but I really REALLY, hate and fight (whenever it is practical to do so), idioms in a person's syntax that lets them avoid giving a direct order, asking a direct question, or (worst of all) making a direct apology.

and I NEVER use them myself, as a principle.


(trust me, the examples are easier to understand then that description)


If someone says to a waiter "I'd like to order the shrimp"
I'd love it if the waiter said "Oh, well you should then, as a matter of fact, you kinda have to order something if you want to sit in the restaurant" and then just walk off.


"I was going to ask you for a seat into town"
Wow, I can't wait to find out if you actually do or not.


"I'd like to apologize for spilling your drink"...
OK cool, then you can, you can do it like this; You say "I'm sorry for spilling your drink"


The last one really gets me in an OCD fashion becasue technically, they are getting away with not actually apologizing.
or 'welcoming'

"I;d like to warmly welcome you, to this business meeting"

"I'd like to deeply, deeply apologize from the bottom of my heart"

It's like listening to someone liberally sprinkling extras, onto an ice-cream that doesn't exist anyways.

Saying 'you'd like to do' is not the same as 'the declaration that you are doing'.

You should only use ' I'd like to ' when you're declaring something you would do, but cannot
i.e., "I'd like to make you a cup of tea... but the kettle is broke" (so I cannot make you tea)

or,

proposing an action that involves the other person's consent/interaction
i.e., "I'd like to take your coat and hang it up for you" (then pause to see if they offer said coat, or, if they politely refuse to let you hang the coat for them).


I'd ' like to ' apologise for how long this post is.

I just say I will have chicken curry rice and a battered onion flower no salt or vinegar
please
And there's a cure for verbal diarrhoea
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# 78 : Wednesday 26-7-2017 @ 01:03
 
 
Greenman has a vocabulary that I envy, and a mind that I kinda do too, I hate him because I suspect that he might cleverer than me, and that can really never do.
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# 79 : Wednesday 26-7-2017 @ 12:34
 
 
I've gotten into the habit of saying "Can I have the ..." is it better to just say "I'll have the .."
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# 80 : Wednesday 26-7-2017 @ 13:22
 
 
Someone said :
I've gotten into the habit of saying "Can I have the ..." is it better to just say "I'll have the .."

Your mother would probably tell you that it is "May I have..."
But "Can I have..." is still more polite that "I'll have..."

Unless the question is "Will you have...", then the answer can indeed be "I'll have..., please/if you will/ etc ."

Manners are often not in the pure formal way you ask, but in how the polite intention translates.
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# 81 : Wednesday 26-7-2017 @ 13:32
 
 
Yeah, I guess if you are looking at a menu its alright to say "I'll have" but if you are standing at a deli ordering a sandwich "Can I have" is more appropriate.
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# 82 : Saturday 29-7-2017 @ 03:19
 
 
Someone said :
Greenman has a vocabulary that I envy, and a mind that I kinda do too, I hate him because I suspect that he might cleverer than me, and that can really never do.

Butters, no one is cleverer then you; you're clever enough to be a gentleman.

Someone said :
I've gotten into the habit of saying "Can I have the ..." is it better to just say "I'll have the .."

At least "Can I have..." is a direct question to the person who can answer "if you can or can not".

"Can I have the chicken fillet"
"yes you can, would you like mashed potatoes or fries with it"
"mashed potatoes please"

It's not some shitty, passive statement that you have to break the rules of logic to decipher it's use in discourse.

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# 83 : Saturday 29-7-2017 @ 14:47
 
 
If you were in a chipper or deli and you said more than what you were ordering your " server wouldn't pay attention to that noise anyway as it's all just that unnecessary noise
In a restaurant again your server isn't really interested in your "noise" and just wants you to say what you are having using the minimum number of words possible

It's communication not a grammar exercise

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# 84 : Saturday 29-7-2017 @ 15:32
 
 
Indeed.

I'll have the...... Please and Thanks. Job done.
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# 85 : Saturday 29-7-2017 @ 19:15
 
 
Someone said :

Butters, no one is cleverer then you; you're clever enough to be a gentleman.


At least "Can I have..." is a direct question to the person who can answer "if you can or can not".

"Can I have the chicken fillet"
"yes you can, would you like mashed potatoes or fries with it"
"mashed potatoes please"

It's not some shitty, passive statement that you have to break the rules of logic to decipher it's use in discourse.

It should be "may I have", not "can I have".
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# 86 : Saturday 29-7-2017 @ 21:16
 
 
Someone said :

It should be "may I have", not "can I have".

Actually it shouldn't, they are both valid in the context of ordering food.
"May" seeks permission ("will you allow me to have...")
"Can" checks possibility ("is it possible for me to have...")


Someone said :
If you were in a chipper or deli and you said more than what you were ordering your " server wouldn't pay attention to that noise anyway as it's all just that unnecessary noise
In a restaurant again your server isn't really interested in your "noise" and just wants you to say what you are having using the minimum number of words possible

It's communication not a grammar exercise

I think you have the wrong idea of how seriously we're talking things in this topic; It's literally a topic with "silly" in the title.

Also yes it is communication, but then, all grammar is communication.


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# 87 : Saturday 29-7-2017 @ 23:47
 
 
Someone said :

Actually it shouldn't, they are both valid in the context of ordering food.
"May" seeks permission ("will you allow me to have...")
"Can" checks possibility ("is it possible for me to have...")


I think you have the wrong idea of how seriously we're talking things in this topic; It's literally a topic with "silly" in the title.

Also yes it is communication, but then, all grammar is communication.

communication for the sake of grammar is unnecessary , it's all a bit pretentious, brings to mind the fact that the direct descendant of HenryVIII is the cockney Danny dyer and not any Eton twats with airs like Jacob Rhys.....
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# 88 : Sunday 30-7-2017 @ 08:00
 
 
Someone said :

I think you have the wrong idea of how seriously we're talking things in this topic; It's literally a topic with "silly" in the title.

I thought you were very serious about it too
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# 89 : Sunday 30-7-2017 @ 13:35
 
 
@ Mango, to clarify, the only part of this that was serious was my original post, which is a silly principle that I really do uphold.


@ Sfider, do you think I am being pretentious in this thread?

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# 90 : Monday 31-7-2017 @ 02:01
 
 
Someone said :
Another silly principle, probably less controversial and dividing:

I go out of my way, whenever practical and reasonable and without it being compulsive, to avoid using "Camel Case" in my PowerPoint presentations or headings/titles in a document.

Not knowing what it meant, I googled Camel Case.

I learn something new every day. So that's what it is called.

You used camel case in writing PowerPoint, though?
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