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Ireland's Abortion Referendum 2018
 
# 16 : Friday 29-9-2017 @ 07:28
 
 
Someone said :

I am sorry but the quality referendum was not messy
All the major parties supported it
Media while having to be balanced was all on side
Most posters was for it and the opposition was near non existent

I actually agree with you.
There was hate, spite, vitriol and craziness on the NO side. But they were a minority. Sizable but given the result, without much influence left.
It was not "messy", as in a split gvt, media fighting with one another, party colleagues insulting one another, families massively splintering along generational lines, children being shunned by the thousands.

It was only marginally messy: dirty on the margins.

The only mess was contained into the "fachosphere", the sphere of facists and hyper-conservatives. It was dirty and vile, but not "messy".

This one, on the other hand, will be messier.
One of the strengths of the marriage referendum was everyone knew someone who was gay, even if they lived in the most remote area.
For the referendum on the right to women to chose their lives, it is harder to identify the "touch point" with the audience: who will "testify"?

Maybe women will need to come out in force like they did in France. At the time women from all walks of life, including academics, intellectuals, politicians, industrialists, artists, joined , more private women's group to say "we did have an abortion."
In 1971 they published the "Manifest of the 343", which then came to be known as the "Manifest of the 343 whores".


Simone de Beauvoir wrote it, and they made it impossible for the gvt to prosecute them, thus making the law useless and it eventually had to be changed.
It forced the people to look at what this law meant, and who is being made "guilty".
It also forced the people (through the caricatural voice of pro-choice Charlie Hebdo) to ask themselves "who impregnated these whores"?

The same year, Germany did the same.

It broke the pro-life vs pro-choice pretend divide.

I am pro-life and pro-choice at the same time : for the choice of women to live their lives, and chose when and how to bring life to the world.
I do not let a USA-side religious mindset decide what I am pro-what!
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# 17 : Friday 29-9-2017 @ 07:29
 
 
IN short, we should not make the mistake to accept the pro-life/pro-choice framing that the religious right wants to impose!
Let's stop using that restrictive terminology, and dare call a spade a spade!
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# 18 : Saturday 30-9-2017 @ 17:44
 
 
Was anyone at the march today??

Numbers looked good!
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# 19 : Sunday 1-10-2017 @ 08:00
 
 
Someone said :
Was anyone at the march today??

Numbers looked good!

I saw social media posts that looked absolutely huge
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# 20 : Sunday 1-10-2017 @ 12:36
 
 
Ypa, was there and great vibe.
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# 21 : Friday 24-11-2017 @ 08:02
 
 
Saturday is the last day to get on the register for the upcoming referendum(s) next year.

Www.checktheregister.ie

Ireland will hold the referendum on abortion and also Three referendums are due to be held in late 2018:

Referendum on whether Ireland should have directly elected mayors (October)
Blasphemy (October) The role of women in the home (October)

*edit* actually there will prob be a supplementary register closer to the election

No harm in being prepared though!
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# 22 : Friday 24-11-2017 @ 14:11
 
 
Now with talks of a political meltdown, the tax cuts and the referendums about abortions, etc. , may all be doomed!
If the Dáil is dissolved within 3 weeks, we are in a lot of caca .
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# 23 : Friday 24-11-2017 @ 14:27
 
 
Someone said :
Now with talks of a political meltdown, the tax cuts and the referendums about abortions, etc. , may all be doomed!
If the Dáil is dissolved within 3 weeks, we are in a lot of caca .

Cake?
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# 24 : Friday 24-11-2017 @ 14:34
 
 
Someone said :

Cake?

That would be cáca

Caca = genitive of "cac"
(a lot "of"...)
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# 25 : Saturday 25-11-2017 @ 02:00
 
 
I am proud of Ireland for standing up for the rights of the unborn.. We all have the right to life.. Yes, in the case of FFA, Rape, Danger too Mothers Life (Medical only, Not Mental) I accept these conditions.. Flippant disregard for life for the sake of (in)convenience.. A resounding No from me..
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# 26 : Saturday 25-11-2017 @ 07:15
 
 
That’s your view and you’re entitled to it. But I completely disagree with it as do many others on this site. I think termination up to 12 weeks for whatever reason is acceptable.

I suspect many against removing the 8th Amendmrnt were also against same-sex marriage, LGBT people having children, were anti-divorce, anti- gay sex decriminalisation, anti-contraception etc. Catholic indoctrination is a very powerful thing in this country and the sooner it is consigned to the dustbin of history the better.

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# 27 : Saturday 25-11-2017 @ 09:31
 
 
Someone said :
I am proud of Ireland for standing up for the rights of the unborn.. We all have the right to life.. Yes, in the case of FFA, Rape, Danger too Mothers Life (Medical only, Not Mental) I accept these conditions.. Flippant disregard for life for the sake of (in)convenience.. A resounding No from me..

How exactly would you provide an abortion to a raped woman? Does she have to prove she was raped? Do you have to insist on a garda report?

Ireland does not stand up for the rights of the unborn at all. Our hypocysy of "not on this island" but yes its fine if you go to another country is a joke and frankly a disgrace.
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# 28 : Sunday 26-11-2017 @ 21:04
 
 
Someone said :

How exactly would you provide an abortion to a raped woman? Does she have to prove she was raped? Do you have to insist on a garda report?

That's a fair point Mango. I guess it would come down to the Morals & ethics of the person involved. Would they be prepared to lie & say they were raped just for the convenience of having an abortion here instead of traveling abroad.. & No, no hypocrisy from me here at least (cant speak for everyone obviously), my view would hold the same regardless of what country i was born in..

@Jupiter you are painting some pretty broad strokes there with the assertion that everyone who is anti abortion is also an anti LGBQT religious nut.. yes they exist i do not deny it but i reckon more are just humanists. I for one am glad that my cell division was allowed to continue & i get too sit here and type this message..
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# 29 : Tuesday 28-11-2017 @ 01:25
 
 
The reality now is the UK gov is paying it's NI citizens travel costs to go to Britain for abortions , if we are unable to legislate on abortion should the HSE pay the travel costs of Irish citizens to go to the UK for abortions?
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# 30 : Tuesday 28-11-2017 @ 04:44
 
 
Someone said :

That's a fair point Mango. I guess it would come down to the Morals & ethics of the person involved. Would they be prepared to lie & say they were raped just for the convenience of having an abortion here instead of traveling abroad.. & No, no hypocrisy from me here at least (cant speak for everyone obviously), my view would hold the same regardless of what country i was born in..

@Jupiter you are painting some pretty broad strokes there with the assertion that everyone who is anti abortion is also an anti LGBQT religious nut.. yes they exist i do not deny it but i reckon more are just humanists. I for one am glad that my cell division was allowed to continue & i get too sit here and type this message..

Read my post again. I said that MANY pro-lifers were anti LGBTQ and highly socially conservative in every way, not ALL. I do realize that there are those who are relatively liberal on many social issues who are against abortion.
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